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crowdedmorning

1st October 2022, 23:07
Thanks Brendan—I did indeed have subtractive anagrams for each, with answers that fit wordplay, but in both cases I still seem to have extra unnecessary words in the clues that I can’t account for. Your point about mismatching is one I hadn’t considered but I think since I’ve yet to crack the theme I’m not sure how it might apply! I’ll have to keep stating.
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crowdedmorning

1st October 2022, 23:37
Aha, I’ve gotten 33ac, I somehow just flubbed the definition. Still flummoxed by 21ac entirely and confused about what appears to be a extraneous word in 18d.
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drxx

2nd October 2022, 00:08
For 21 the definition is the first four words minus the extra element.
For 18d one of the words either side of the penultimate word is an anagram indicator.
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drxx

2nd October 2022, 00:17
...sorry, that could be misleading - for 21 the definition is included in the first 4 words minus the extra element.
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dylan

2nd October 2022, 08:14
I'm sort-of there - I have the song, and 17/18 of the extra words, but not the extra letters.

I can't make sense of 18d, and I'm baffled by how eg 17ac is entered, though I can see where it's gone- but why?
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lumen

2nd October 2022, 08:48
I enjoyed this. Basically done before coming to forum. Which is nice.
But I’m not really done as haven’t solved the clues for 17a or 18a, although I have the entries.
Neither sleeping on it or restudying the various versions of the song have helped. An obtuse steer would be welcome!
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candledave

2nd October 2022, 08:50
Lumen - think about the thematic item that has moved
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lumen

2nd October 2022, 08:56
Of course, that's given me 17 thanks. Similar idea for 18?
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alpaca

2nd October 2022, 08:57
Re drxx #35 perhaps in 38a “beginning” refers to the beginning of the abbreviation not the answer thereby eliminating rather than ignoring the mark?
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lumen

2nd October 2022, 08:58
Ignore that! Got them both.
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