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orson

17th January 2021, 12:17
Are the notes to be played just for the words that are not given by the radials? Otherwise I cannot see how only four notes are needed.

And is it one note for each radial or are lengths of notes taken into account? Thanks.
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loge

17th January 2021, 12:32
It's the entire first verse to be played, Orson. Long notes indeed accounted for - they are represented by the next radial not containing a note (hope that make sense).
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orson

17th January 2021, 12:51
Thanks, loge. I still think a fifth note is needed for the penultimate word given by the radials, but maybe I have the wrong version. At least it's not Wagner, loge!
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loge

17th January 2021, 13:05
I think the final notes have been squashed together a bit to avoid the necessity of a fifth note. It works well enough.

A music box puzzle based on the opening bars of Ride of the Valkyries... now there's an idea!
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simplesimon

17th January 2021, 13:21
An excellent construction tnap Thank you.
We needed a stretch after a run of relatively easy puzzles.
Understand the need to transpose from the original, but it’s not the tune we recognised from our childhood. But, ho-hum, not to be sneezed at. Back to the Magpies.
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granama1

17th January 2021, 13:46
Got there in the end but only thanks to the help given in this thread. Then tinkered at the piano for 20 mins and I suppose it's recognisable. Then I played the download files from the Wiki using an app and some of them are pretty unrecognisable too!

Q? Are all notes on a music box the same length? I can see how you would change the time between them but as I don't think there's any damping (as when you lift a finger off a piano key) don't all the notes sustain for the same time - unless the same note is played?
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murky

17th January 2021, 15:03
I posted a comment on the original thread, but nowadays solvers seem to want answers very early in the game and migrate quickly to the "may contain answers" thread. I think it's a pity that solvers don't persevere a bit longer before asking for answers. The Listener is not meant to be a stroll in the park.

Anyway, this was my comment:

I don't know if I have the right pegs, but it doesn't sound anything like the version I knew as a child, and I cannot find any matching example on the internet. With so many variations of the lyrics and so many variations of the music I don't see how it's possible to be sure if one's solution is 'correct'.
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bobbycollins

17th January 2021, 15:18
At the risk of offending murky hints for rings 35 & 37 would be useful - I've given this about 4 hours now and my head is starting to want the drink cupboard and sadly it's a tad early.
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hotelwhiskey7

17th January 2021, 15:21
I guess the answer is that the grid is the grid and the tune fits around it.

Highlighting the necessary notes - I make it 23, plus using unclued radials to indicate a double length note - gets an acceptable enough version of what’s after all a crossword’s attempt at suggesting a tune.

We accept rough versions of a map of Ireland or geography of the US in other weeks.

I do agree with your point on the joy of delayed gratification. I had certainly written off the puzzle as insoluble.


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hotelwhiskey7

17th January 2021, 15:24
BC - one proton plus one neutron.

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