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simonsays

13th June 2016, 22:29
I am not on this Tnap's wavelength at all... Lots of gaps in my answers, and only 22 letters out of the Quote. Can anyone help with the top right corner, 7a, 8d and 9d. I think 7a correction is makes a word leading to 20, but not sure.
The Socrates bone (bane?) clue is also elusive...

All in all doing well at failing on this one.

Simon
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escuan

13th June 2016, 22:50
I've nearly completed the grid ( and know which are the "right" and "wrong" letters but would appreciate some help with 28 across and 9 & 29 down. I've also yet to see how to fill the 6 unchecked cells with "right" letters.
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wintonian

13th June 2016, 23:06
escuan, it took me longer to get the method of identifying the "right" letters for the six unchecked cells than solving the clues. Look carefully at the "wrong" and "right" letters in the first clue with a misprint and see if this suggests something.

In 28ac, think of a shortened form of the energy-giving component of food.

9dn is a clue that doesn't have a misprint.

29d is also a clue that doesn't have a misprint. Think of a word for which "pin" is used informally (usually in the plural), and put a common synonym for "man", with the first letter removed, round it.
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wintonian

13th June 2016, 23:19
simonsays, you are correct in spotting the misprint in 7ac. Think what an American student would say if he/she got 100% on an exam: "I ---- the test". The capital letter in "Met" is misleading.

For 41ac, if someone asked Socrates "What's your poison?", what would he reply? This isn't the answer, but should lead you directly to it.

I'd rate this the most challenging Listener puzzle (at least for me) so far in 2016, and some of the clues really needed a lot of work.
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barretter

13th June 2016, 23:30
Simonsays, you'll find a clue to 7dn on the first page of this forum. 8dn is a straight clue, the definition is "racing" and the word is concealed in "keirin dynamically". No idea about 9dn, apparently also a straight clue.
41ac, bane is right and it's an anagram of "an icon" without the last letter. I'm still missing a fair few as I'm not really in tune with Tnap's style.
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meursault

14th June 2016, 01:13
Barretter, you were plain wrong, and you should admit it. Where there's muc(k) there's bras(s). I don't understand why you need to be so graceless when people are trying to help you...
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meursault

14th June 2016, 01:18
Simon : Aced, Indy and Skills
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meursault

14th June 2016, 01:27
Yes, rrrobbo, pretty well I agree with you. But, for example with 1A, though there is a clash at the start of 4D, this is the misprint in 4D. The misprint in 1A occurs at 1D
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notrab

14th June 2016, 07:48
Does the letter clash in cell 42 belong to 36 down or 42 across? The only other clash I have in either clue is in 38 down and thst belongs to 43 across.Perhaps last night's glass or two of Patagonisn wine is causing puzzle fatigue!
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dryden

14th June 2016, 09:28
Having started this very late I have only just finished. I must say I found it very tough. Filling two-thirds of the grid was relatively straightforward, but getting the rest was not, and I must have spent as long on my last five or six clues than on all the rest put together. Obscure words or meanings from wordplay that also involves obscurities made some clues pretty fiendish. A seven-letter entry with three unches (normally a no-no) and three clashes? Hmmm. I'm not sure I'd call that fair.
It was also tough to track down the quotation. Although it's in ODQ none of the words in the line given by misprints appears as a keyword in the index as far as I can see. That strikes me as unfair because it's virtually impossible to find such an obscure quote on Google without most of the words identified. I had a justifiable alternative misprint which hindered my search for the quotation. The only word that I was absolutely sure of was the last one, which ought to have been significant enough to get the quote, but I failed for a long time even when I linked up with some others and some guesses. With so many wrong letters I was basically cold-solving most of the clues.


Wintonian, I disagree that 9d doesn't have a misprint If the clue doesn't have a misprint the entry is as per the answer, which ruins the thematic sequence.

Notrab, 42a must have a letter that is wrong for the answer but right thematically because its clue has a misprint. The only possible cell is the first because there are no clashes anywhere else in the entry.
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