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elle

11th December 2018, 17:58
Sorry, Rusty!
That last post was supposed to be addressed to you!
Hence the enquiry as to what you are having for your tea!
I don't know what happened to the greeting!!
I swear I typed it!!!
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rusty

11th December 2018, 19:01
Hello, Malone!
I would say the setter knew, and even if not, the clues are all OK'd by the crossword editor before the puzzle is published.
I think it is fine!
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malone

11th December 2018, 19:08
Thanks for that, Rusty. I'd forgotten that there was a crossword editor - and I expect he's quite rigorous! It's a rather crafty clue - and apart from the town/city aspect, I thought it was quite a fun one, with the Bolt On idea.
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rusty

11th December 2018, 19:10
Hello, Elle!
I had maple pancakes for my tea.
Very nice, too!
Was a good puzzle today.
28a is new to me.
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malone

11th December 2018, 19:27
Rusty, I too enjoyed today's puzzle - and this was partly down to it looking harder than it was! I don't like things too simple, but some of the clues today initially looked quite tough. They turned out to be doable, and I liked having to make an effort.
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rusty

11th December 2018, 19:56
Hello, Malone!
I could not agree more!
I like a tough puzzle.
Tomorrow's puzzle will be one used in the Championship so I'd think it will be a good tussle with the setter!
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malone

11th December 2018, 20:00
Rusty, I sometimes lose the tussle in the Championship puzzles - but I enjoy the scrap! It's always a fair fight.
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elle

11th December 2018, 20:24
Hi, Rusty!
Yes, your tea sounds nice - I like pancakes, but I usually have savoury ones.
We had sausages and mash, with lots of onions and a thick gravy.
Wonderful!
Yes, it was a good puzzle today, but I'm afraid that I cannot accept 20a, with the interchange of town /city used in conjunction with the name of a specific town that had actually applied to become a "city"......and had been refused!
To me it makes a total nonsense of the clue.
( Perhaps it might have been more acceptable had the setter picked a large town that had never been involved in applying for city status?
That might possibly have been a different ball game?)
Right, I'm now stepping down from my orange box.....
I am stuck on 22a: Town, online , requested Wilts hotel to renovate old bar (7,4)
W?I?T?E/ ?T?P
I cannot see where to go with this?
What am I missing, please?
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rusty

11th December 2018, 20:39
Hello, Elle!
22a, The old bar is "estop", anagram of "Wilts h(otel)", giving "Whistle stop", a stop on a railway line.
Pancakes are nice!
I think you are getting too deeply involved with the "Bolton" clue.
There are thousands of solvers who have not a clue about Bolton's failed bid to become a city.
The clue works fine the way it is.
If you do not like it, fire off an email to Mr Rogan to see what he says?
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elle

11th December 2018, 21:12
Hi, Rusty!
Ah, thank you for the parsing!
I did not realise that "bar" in that context meant "stop/ hinder/ preclude".
I was looking for an alcoholic establishment!
Not that I would have been any the wiser had I understood, as "estop" is a totally new word for me.
Yes, I understand it now that you have kindly explained it to me.
That is a brilliant idea of yours for me to email Mr R !
Last time I did that, he was great, and sent me a very nice letter in return.
But how do I do it?
I cannot find any reference that I must have used previously?
Do you have an email address/ contact number/ whatever, please?
Do you remember our "conversation " with Rose...and our "fifteen minutes" of fame in the paper?
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