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elle

15th September 2018, 21:50
Hi, Rusty!
What a lucky girl!
"Manana" means "in the morning/tomorrow".......according to my Spanish dictionary.
No, I didn't like "manana" used for " some future time" at all!
I think it too loose a usage?
( No matter what Chambers says!)
Re 27a: ah yes "twentieth".....thank you!
I have been puzzling over that on and off all day!

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rusty

15th September 2018, 22:05
Hello, Elle!
Well, you please yourself about what "manana" means, but I have always found Chambers very difficult to disagree with, and most of us crossword puzzlers look upon it as "Holy writ"!
They know so much more than me, and I know no Spanish.
(But I do know the name of the bull that killed Manolete!)
For me, the clue/answer is fine.
I have just finished reading my paper!
I seem to be way behind today, somehow.
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malone

15th September 2018, 22:20
Rusty, there's a fresh outbreak of spam, so I'm playing Bump...
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elle

15th September 2018, 22:21
Hi, Rusty!
I am now so stressed out about "manana", that I have had to open the packet of "Ginger Thins" that I bought from Ikea.......
And I have eaten four biscuits!
Well, that's my excuse, anyway.......!
I am afraid that I do not even know of Manolete...let alone the name of the bull that killed him?
What is the story there?
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rusty

15th September 2018, 22:36
Hello, Elle!
It is only a puzzle, nothing to get stressed about!
Manolete was a very famous bullfighter.
He was killed in the ring at Linares by a Miura bull named Islero.
That is a bit of my very limited knowledge of Spain and Spanish, though I was a big fan of Miguel Indurain, the cyclist.
What I found slightly puzzling though, the Italian car manufacturer, Lamborghini, often named their cars after Miura bulls, and indeed had one called Islero.
I do not know the reason Lamborghini did this.
Maybe time to explore!
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rusty

15th September 2018, 22:40
Very good, Malone!
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elle

15th September 2018, 23:08
Hi, Rusty!
Ah, thank you, I did not know that about Manolete!
I'm not very well up in car manufacturers and car names either...
Maybe Lamborghini had an interest in bull-fighting?
And thought the image of a bull to be a suitable "macho" logo for his cars?
I'm only surmising here!
I have really no idea!
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rusty

15th September 2018, 23:22
Hello, Elle!
Mister Lamborghini was an admirer of the Miura breed of bulls.
Apart from Islero, his company named other cars after Miura bulls.
The other one that I remember was Reventon, who also killed a bullfighter, Felix Guzman, in the ring.
Hard to imagine that would happen nowadays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_Islero
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elle

16th September 2018, 08:30
Good morning, Rusty!
A dull day as yet, but sunshine is promised later.
No early morning walk today, as we are all going out for a longer "expedition" this afternoon!
I have been reading about Lamborghini and the Islero, whilst eating my toast!
The "Everyman" is already " all done and dusted".........
Not even a parse to ponder!
What are you up to today?
Are you and the girls heading out for the Pine Cone?
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rusty

16th September 2018, 09:25
Good morning, Elle!
Dullish here just now, too.
Yes, the Lamborghini family admired the Miura bulls!
Or, they did, way back then.
Many of their cars were named after famous bulls, and indeed the company logo is a fighting bull.
I've remembered another Spanish word.
A "ganaderia" is a cattle ranch where the bulls are bred and raised.
No plans today.
Not heard from the girls over the weekend....so far!

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