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rusty

8th July 2017, 16:15
Hello, Elle!
Yes, that's it!
I thought it may have originated at slave auctions.
As "sold down the river" did.
Some great phrases we use every day without thinking where they came from.
"Upset the apple cart"?
I have never seen an apple cart, but they must exist somewhere, I fancy.
Just finished the TDF.
A worthy French winner today.
A lad I do not know.
More mountains tomorrow.
I have the golf on now.
Great weather at Portstewart!
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rosalind

8th July 2017, 16:18
rusty- some of my ancestors must have messed with Vikings, I'm supposed to be about 20% Scandinavian!
"Danegeld" is chiming in my brain, sort of protection money?
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rusty

8th July 2017, 16:40
Hello, Rosalind!
Yes, I have heard of Danegeld.
Danelaw was a part of England held by the Danes many centuries ago.
Could be where your Viking blood came from?
Many dark haired folk on the West Coast of Ireland are said to be descendants of shipwrecked Spanish sailors from the Armada.
Every single one of us will have "foreign" blood in us.
There are folk in Europe with some Neandertal DNA, even!
So, have the Neandertals actually died out, or not?
It's a wonderful world!
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rosalind

8th July 2017, 16:45
It is a wonderful world, rusty.

When I did my late husband's family tree, I came across some Ferdinandos! I don't think I got as far back as the Spansh Armada but not too long afterwards, and the family lived on the South Cornish coast. I reckon one sailor didn't want to go home, or maybe was washed up and couldn't. Whatever, there were Ferdinando Hoskings around for quite a while.
Other members of the family were called Zenobia, Philadelphia and Admonition (a boy). Silly names aren't a new thing!
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rusty

8th July 2017, 17:07
Rosalind, Admonition is a silly name, yes?
The others you could get away with, nearly!
Scotland had many visits from the Vikings, not always friendly ones.
There are eight Norwegian kings buried on Iona.
Four Irish kings buried there.
People got about even many centuries ago.
So it it would be a miracle if we had no foreign blood in us.
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rosalind

8th July 2017, 17:37
re foreign blood, indeed, and we all do. My ancestors lived on the NE coast of England so I was expecting to have Scandinavian ancestors. I'm apparently also 18% Irish, so there! Not found any yet, though.

I think Admnition is a somewhat cruel name. Wonder what they called him? Addy? He grew up to get married as I recall, otherwise I don't think I'd have known what sex he was.
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elle

8th July 2017, 17:43
Hi, Rusty!
Ah, now I shall investigate potential "apple carts" later ......!
I have been washing my hair and now I am going back to see Novak finish off his match!
Yes, it is very interesting thinking about out our forebears, but I have found it far more rewarding investigating possible present "alive" connections!
Did I ever tell you that a 'third' cousin - of whom I had never heard - got in touch with me?
Well, actually, first of all her husband did , on her behalf!
When we looked into it all, her great-grandmother, Elizabeth, is my great-great-aunt (sister of Abraham, my great-grandfather).
We are now in regular touch.....although we have not met as yet!
She is now on my "family tree"!
How is your golf progressing?
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pigale

8th July 2017, 18:12
Hello Elle and Rusty,

A good win by Lilian Calmejade - good to win a stage on your
first Tour de France!
I had not heard his name before but it seems that he has won a
stage in last year's Vuelta, his first ever grand tour.

But once more, where is Voekler?

Another very hot day today, and rather close - thunders due
all around us, but nothing yet I am pleased to say........ I am
frightened of them!
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rusty

8th July 2017, 18:41
Hello, Elle!
I would leave "apple carts" well alone, if I was you!
I found a video on YouTube about it.
I think it lasts 6 minutes, but I gave up after a minute.
This lad reckoned the "apple" represents "sin" in the Garden of Eden and the "cart" bit represents the human body.
I think the origin must be more down to earth than that and abandoned the lad and his theory.
I avoid these religious maniacs if at all possible!
I must remember to delete it from my "history"!
I would have thought it was more to do with a farmer taking his apples to market?
That's good you found a cousin!
The golf is finished for today.
I enjoyed it, and the lovely coastal scenery around Portstewart.
Last day tomorrow!
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rusty

8th July 2017, 18:47
Good evening, Pigale!
A good stage winner! A win for France!
The rider is new to me, too.
He held on well towards the end when his energy was almost gone.
Thomas Voeckler is an enigma.
I saw him a day or two ago at the back of the peloton.
He is a favourite of mine and I like to see him attacking.
I have an idea that I heard a commentator say that this is his last Tour?
Maybe feels his legs are too old now?
I am sure he will have a go somewhere during the Tour.
I hope so!
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