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candledave

6th November 2023, 17:25
Am not sure though now!
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buddy

6th November 2023, 17:34
Well, A and B is the intersection (overlapping part) of two sets, whereas A or B is their union. So if "A and B" was infeasible you'd shade their intersection. But what's infeasible is "A and B without C", so you're looking at that intersection, save for the parts that also intersect C.

He said, with less than perfect confidence.
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dodgepot

6th November 2023, 17:40
That’s always been my reading of it, Buddy
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candledave

6th November 2023, 17:52
Hmm, I guess you’re right, buddy; the quote actually doesn’t say anything about the individual pieces alone so probably best to ignore them
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cypherhouse

6th November 2023, 19:39
Managed to wrap this one up with less problems than last week's. I liked that the down clues were generous and gave a good starting point. But for me the 3 part across clues were still very challenging even with several of the crossing letters in place.

I like the endgame in theory, but since the across clues with extra words were much easier to solve than the rest I guessed at the form the endgame would take very quickly. Which left me working towards an end that was less mysterious than I prefer.

As others have noted, the changed letters feel far from sufficiently constrained. A few clues are more obvious (like the R/Z mentioned above) and so I was able to guess the play with only a few of the swaps. But really not a fan of the mechanic.
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turast

7th November 2023, 02:27
I'm finding the "one character changed for another" stage quite problematic, as much seems to be open to interpretation. Can anyone confirm or deny these locations? I've made sure they are all within the "full wordplay" section of the clue.

17. 10th / 15 U-O
12. 4th / 13 O-I ??
19. 8th / 14 L-E
14. 16th / 16 T-G
1. 3rd / 12 T-E
13. 14th / 15 R-z

I may have even missed one at 33, and, because what I have looks so unpromising, I'm probably misinterpreting the instruction. I can't see any punctuation change either. Even a hint as to the correct number of these would be helpful.
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cypherhouse

7th November 2023, 04:54
Turast - You have the correct changes on 17, 1, and 13

12 You have the right spot, but the I doesn't change to an O
19 I don't understand how this letter change works myself, but both letters you have are wrong.
14 I believe you are substituting the correct letter but not to G.

These letter changes need to happen in EVERY across clue except for the 4 that contribute an extra word. So you need 12 changes in total.
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hotelwhiskey7

7th November 2023, 06:01
Turast - as others have pointed out, the title of the play is probably more easily reverse engineered than worked out from the instruction - it has at least twenty-five letters, and has a Z in it. An alternative is getting the play from the quotes, as below.

As has also been pointed out, the use of the word 'character' rather than letter in the sixth line of the preamble, is of relevance.

I do feel for Lumen - googling the next words and finding a link was more revelatory than disappointing for this solver...
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muraria

7th November 2023, 07:03
In 19a the wordplay is unaffected if you change the n to r in 4th word
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gitto

7th November 2023, 09:40
muraria you cannot alter the 4th word in 19a as that is part of the 4 letter scramble for the entry. You have to alter the 8th word I have A-U.
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