Palman sorry all me words nearly ran into one there. I meant think of cigar containers well done on finishing if you have now I know you've said the River Ure is in the answer, I looked at some cries for help on Answerbank and someone else said it's not. I trust you though and just have to try to work out how it fits.......then 56, which I should have solved by now after all the help I've had.