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whistler

27th November 2023, 20:04
Spotted it. Your earlier hint seemed to confirm 12d (i) but 12d (iii) also has to overlap this, surely? In which case I can't square the first two letters of 12d(iii) which come from a very straight forward reading of the first two words of that clue coupled with a 3 letter word for the third word?
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malone

27th November 2023, 21:54
Thanks, Whistler. I don't understand your piece about 12 (iii) having to overlap 12 (i ). Your 12(iii) sounds right. 12 (ii) is the more convivial word, it likes (i) and (iii), the latter to a lesser extent.

I'm trying hard not to be too cryptic - and also not too revealing. It's tricky!
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whistler

27th November 2023, 22:17
Thanks, Malone. I'm struggling to understand how 3 words of length 9, 5 and 5 can fit into a single column of length 12? Since 9 and 5 make 14, it seems to me that the first and last clues must overlap by 2 - as well as the 3rd clue being subsumed within them. My problem is that my first answer finishes with two letters which are not the same as the first two of the third. So I originally asked whether multiple letters can arise from consecutive answers (as well as interceptions of across and down clues). Again, perhaps I'm missing something that will become clear, but at present, I'm completely confused.
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malone

27th November 2023, 22:26
Thanks, Whistler, 'Multiple' really can mean multiple...so 12 D ends up working quite neatly. There's no multiple arising from consecutive answers. Your first answer's last two letters start the second word, your third answer's first letter finishes it.
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smellyharry

27th November 2023, 22:43
Whistler - the preamble says some cells contain multiple letters. That's how you get clues totalling 19 letters into 12 cells.

Thought this was fairly straight forward but great. And very welcome after only finally finishing off the numerical today. Had to look up the two lesser known members of the group - there was no way I was figuring out those anagrams.

Clues all solid and very neat how the objects all interlink with each other.

Only loose end for me is parsing the wordplay for 7d (I) - can't see the significance of the rescue vehicle. Ta

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smellyharry

27th November 2023, 22:45
Ignore that. I did figure out 7, then forgot I figured it out
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catkin

28th November 2023, 08:22
I am hoping or help with 7a iii (Wearing tight-fitting ring) and 10d ii (Over half of high scales under the note for singers). I have a full grid and so ought to be able to see these answers but can't. Possible errors on my part or perhaps there is another subject with multiple entries that I have not spotted. Hope someone can help.
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mattrom

28th November 2023, 08:48
Catkin, re 7aiii
Def. is 'ring', as a verb
re 10dii, def. is 'singers'. 'Scales' is a reversal indicator. 'High' is intoxicated.
Yes, multiple entries involved.
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foinaven

29th November 2023, 08:41
All done, apart from the 'corresponding object' formed from one letter of each of the subjects. I assume there are four of these: it would be consistent with the theme, and I am sure I have solved all the clues and entered the results correctly.

I can see one possibility, but I cannot 'see it in the grid' - which seems to imply more than a unique choice of letters.

It might be sensible to look at historical evidence.
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foinaven

29th November 2023, 08:46
No, the actual objects used were not of the same type.
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