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loge

31st December 2021, 10:36
Nicely put, Jack. I don't think it's giving too much away at this stage to say that NO specialist knowledge is required to arrive at the final grid, provided one has solved all the non-normal clues and read the relevant Wiki (or equivalent) article relating to (c). It helps if, as I did, you guess the identity of 18 12 quite early on so that you get a pointer as to which cells have their contents replaced.

The three normal clues are arguably more of a hindrance than a help, in that at least two of them are so convoluted that they are almost impossible to cold-solve (they were for me, anyway). Unless you are familiar with the answers, and do have specialist knowledge, the grid entries offer no help at all. I only know one of them and was able to use the relevant grid entry to confirm it; the other two I reverse engineered after searching for lists of possibles whose (a) is compatible with (c). But it isn't actually necessary to solve them at all, which will rile solvers who spent ages trying to make sense of the grid entries only to find they needn't have bothered!

I cited SmellyHarry's post because yes, the resulting grid is a mess. After Ifor's masterly puzzle last week, in which different possible entries for the top row all led to real words, this is a disappointment.

But like you I see this as a bit of seasonal jeu d’esprit , and it's a shame that it backfired for some due to the puzzle appearing to be far more complicated and specialist than it actually is.

Anyway, Happy New Year to all posters and, of course, the admin team.
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jack aubrey

31st December 2021, 11:25
Thanks, Loge. If we are right, then “appearing to be far more complicated and specialist than it actually is” is in fact rather the point; and it is indeed a shame if, in being entirely successful in pulling that off, Lionheart has inadvertently also entirely disappointed some solvers.

However that may be, a guid New Year to ane an a’. May your dram at the Bells be fair fu’!

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tatters

31st December 2021, 13:33
I am still drafting my own 17 pages of thoughts on the puzzle but I will just mention in passing that this weeks puzzle is available now
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loge

31st December 2021, 13:37
Thanks for the heads up, Tatters!
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bananabean

31st December 2021, 20:02
I have solved every clue and I know 18d/12d as well as (a), (b) and (c).

When I search C*K on Wiki I get a place in Kent.

When I search C*K (h* t*) on Wiki I can see 3 tunes:
"(5,3,1,8,5)", "(5,9,7,5,6)" and "(2,5,4,4,2)".

Any new hints as to how to substitute these into the grid would be really useful to me.
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tatters

31st December 2021, 20:08
use the middle one, overwrite the first relevant 32 cells and then consider how you might fill the final 7 cells
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bananabean

31st December 2021, 20:21
By BY, tatters. Great help, thank you.
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quixote

1st January 2022, 22:27
FINALLY - a jackpot cascade of pennies all over the floor (thanks, Tatters). Marginally better outcome than I had thought, but a dog's breakfast of a final grid - and the substitution - as some I now realise had earlier pointed out - is sadly not correctly specified by the singular last word of (b) as revealed.
And I think that curtailing the symbolic sequences entered as answers to the normal clues, only so that the substitution will fit - although it's hard to see what else LH could have done, and although it doesn't actually matter in the finished grid - is a weakness.

A very clever idea, but probably too clever for its own good?
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