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Malone, yes I agree those are hackneyed and overused, however, as an (ex) accountant I approve of the definition

Thanks, Jono. I'm relieved that someone else shares my feeling of jadedness with those crossword bits. Yes, the definition was fine - the only thing that was!

malone jono

Yes an awful clue. I learned in book-keeping that the answer (side) was nearer the window, which seems to be a bit of a joke amongst accountants, book-keepers etc.

So I agree with you. I like the definition, but the "girl" has not been heard in my lifetime, nor the appeal, except in crosswords.

The "girl" was in a crossword I did a few days ago - I can't remember if it was Guardian or RT.

Grunger, I'm glad you too think some of the crossword words are past their prime. There was another 'grrr' one in a puzzle last month - Dreamboat. It must be at least 30 years since that was in common use.

ChrisE, I think the 'girl' is, too useful for setters - we'll probably be seeing her for years to come (though she'll maybe have a downturn in her fortunes and become a char or a daily?).

chrise malone

The "girl presented" was also in the Times on Friday. I have no idea to whom or what she used to be presented, or from what she came out.

Grunger

I did not know that your versatility extended to accountancy, book-keeping etc.

Malone

I see that Emma has put out a desperate appeal for a coach. Perhaps you and Grunger could help, in tennis or fashion

Hey, stop dissing the debs! I've just won Clueless with
Backing for girl coming out on strike causes uproar (6)

A down clue for BEDLAM, to save you the effort.

This was set and judged by none other than the clue-writing serial winner 'buster' mattrom, perhaps Emma's next coach.

Well done, paul... - but I'm afraid any clue involving that dratted girl would get a big red X from me! The same goes for any clue involving it/IT, appeal, SA... and many other 'done to death' bits.

Jigjag
I'll assign Grunger to overseeing Emma's attire - and I'll happily take on the coaching role if I can bark out commands all day long. I won't know many of the technical terms, but will throw in the odd instruction such as 'time for an inside-outside backhand slice, surely?' Oh, and add a bit of topspin while you're at it.' I'm sure they use similar instructions in coaching sessions...

I don’t have a dislike for “deb” in a clue. It may not be so common any more, but I believe it used to be a typical common shortening. By not so common any more, I mean the whole notion of a debutante. Of course, I may be wrong, as those are certainly not the circles I am part of.