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muraria

25th April 2021, 19:59
Managed to get this done in one (long) sitting, a really enjoyable solve.
Key was keeping track of the double-letter combos and not moving on to the cipher grid before solving all the clues, with a fair bit of reverse engineering towards the end. I redid the grid three times to try and keep things reasonably tidy. The final grid was then pretty straightforward, comprising just the 11 letters. An amazing construction all in all, thanks Lysander.
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candledave

25th April 2021, 20:18
Thanks for the tip unclued - just bought it.
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lewap

25th April 2021, 20:57
I LOVED this crossword and was one of those lucky enough to have read the title and had the pdm!
Took a while to reverse engineer some of the answers from the entries but all in all great fun! I can imagine it being very frustrating for those not seeing the title's clue!
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smithsax

26th April 2021, 00:26
I agree with unclued that the older listeners were in general much more difficult (with this one being a notable exception). I bought the book for 69p on Amazon a few years ago. I think it was mispriced.
In my view this weeks puzzle was the best of the year so far. Great fun.
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turast

26th April 2021, 10:08
OK. OK. I surrender. Can those of you inhabiting the sunlit uplands of a completed solve please provide some much needed relief for those of us still stuck in the Dover lorry-park of inability to encode?

I don't have a spreadsheet or a searchable dictionary.

I HAVE solved all the clues except 17 Ac & 10 Dn.

I do know which letters of the alphabet encode to 1 letter, and which encode to 2.

I am unable to see any way into the encoding through the puzzle's title. I have therefore concluded that some informed guessing might help.

I started by assuming that the letter "I" in the solutions encoded to E, and wrote them into the grid

If my original assumption is right, then some partial doubles emerge

F = ?E
G = ?E
H = E?
V = ?E
W = ?E
Y + E?

Y looks promising as ED or ES. If F = PE, then 4 Dn could be a tree. Does 9 Ac start with "PEOPLE"? Does 27 Dn contain a double "E"?

Does any of this make sense? Why am I here? What is the meaning of life? Can somebody please put me out of my misery?
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crates

26th April 2021, 10:39
Turast -your assummptions are correct down to second last paragraph - for 4D would use crossword solver for 4D just putting in the E's - you will see quickly what F represents.. It would be a start (no to PE so no to people)..
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peterm

26th April 2021, 10:53
As a relative newcomer to The Listener, I've been really pleased that I've managed pretty much all of the non-mathematicals so far. This one had me stumped though. The entry for me was the title. It is hyphenated. On one side of the hyphen there are 2 letters. On the other there are 4 letters.
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mooncow

26th April 2021, 10:57
I’m on the sunny uplands: I got there by only cold-solving about half the clues, then starting the grid fill and cracking the enciphering so that I could back-calculate to give me hints for the remaining clues — but I definitely had, and heavily used, a searchable Chambers app. The enciphering would have been tough to crack without it, and several of the words that result are quite obscure. Good luck!

In fact, so reliant on my searchable dictionary did I inadvertently become that I started to think I had made a mistake when two of the words would not work out: I eventually got plausible-sounding words but they just weren’t in Chambers. They were 23a and 29d. Then I remembered the preamble :-)

You’re guess is inspired: stick with it. And your partials are good too: you need to do more of that. For example, where 9a and 5d intersect you should see that K = E? and that means that the enciphered 9a looks like ?E???E??E?. Feeding that into my search finds 159 matches: still a bit too many to work with, but we can do better...

Similar spotting of pairings shows that F = X?, O = ?X and L = X for some as-yet-unknown letter X, and this gives some real structure to our 9a: not only does it have the pattern above, but also the first letter matches the fourth and fifth letters. You could try some guesses for that letter X. But this is where I looked down the list of 159 matches to find any words in the list whose first letter was also their fourth and fifth. There was just one such word. Fed into a 13-shift simple Caesar cipher that word would be erneerfgrq. That then fills quite a lot of grid cells, and provides the first and second halves of quite a few pairs. Continue like a codeword puzzle and it should eventually unfold nicely.

A searchable dictionary really speeds that final enciphering solve up though. For example, it shows that ?te?a has only one match in Chambers, which is fgryn on the same 13-shift. Many other letters fall to “there’s only one word like...”, which inevitably becomes a bit more supposition and checking, however good your knowledge of the BRB, without a search.
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crates

26th April 2021, 11:22
Turast - To complete your answers - 17A usual crossword meaning for 'cycling' in this instance first letter of synonym for 'valley' is at end of word.
10D - removing some letters from 4th word gives common synonym for 'slender' + 1 lettter...
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will37

26th April 2021, 12:26
Crates - Thanks for giving me a bit of clarity here. 17A was one of the two solutions I had had to reverse engineer from the completed grid but I hadn't identified the "valley" angle until you pointed it out now.
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