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orson

29th April 2020, 11:06
Speaking of which, this is from today's Telegraph crossword:

Game that's unfair if not in front? (7)

I know the answer though I don't quite get it. In fact one or two of the answers today made me scratch my head.
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malone

29th April 2020, 11:10
Orson, even though it's sport - and a specific sport at that - I can help you! If you stick 'It's not...' in front of the answer, that's a phrase meaning 'unfair'.
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orson

29th April 2020, 11:19
Thanks, malone, it's quite clear now. I tend to think of it as "it's not cricket" rather than just "not cricket", but Chambers does have the latter.
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malone

29th April 2020, 11:25
Thanks, Orson. I've never heard the phrase used, but know of its existence, though not the subtleties, 'it's..' or just 'not...'.
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malcolmxword

29th April 2020, 12:06
Re Yorkshire & cricket...
I was working in a hotel in Birmingham in the mid 80s. TThe general manager walked into the bar where I worked and asked me " You like cricket don't you ? " Yes, I said. " So you know what Fred Trueman looks like " Er, yes, I replied, of course. " Good, because he's in room 420 and we need to move him to another room " ! Seemed a very nice bloke.
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tyke51

29th April 2020, 19:46
Hi Malcolm,

I managed to see Fred bowl for Yorks in the mid 60s - I was about 15 and it was the summer holidays. He was nearing the end of his career but still ran in fast - I was pleased to see him play because he was, and still is, a hero of mine.

Fred was born at Scotch Springs Lane, Stainton in the south of the County - I was born just down the road at Sandbeck, in a farm labourer`s cottage on the Earl of Scarbrough`s ( not Scarborough) Estate, not far from Roche Abbey. Mum new the Trueman family and told me they were even `rougher` than we were!
Chris Waters ( Yorkshire Post Cricket writer ) wrote an excellent biography of Fred which gives a good account of his life and character.
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chrise

29th April 2020, 19:52
Hi tyke
He retired to a little hamlet (not even a village) near us, called Flasby. There's a great bronze statue of him by the canal in Skipton.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g209940-d11403228-Reviews-Freddie_Trueman_Statue-Skipton_North_Yorkshire_England.html
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tyke51

29th April 2020, 20:07
Hi Chrise

I love Skipton - I`ve had a nice drink in the `Woolly Sheep` more than once. This was a few years before the statue - if lockdown ever ends I`ll talk my mates into having a cultural trip to Skipton to see it - we travel by train so no parking/driving problems.

Point of trivia - Fred`s daughter married Raquel Welch`s son, although, sadly, the marriage only lasted a couple of years.
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jigjag

29th April 2020, 21:38
Tyke

I stayed at a hotel in Bolton Abbey, Skipton for a meeting about 25-30 years ago and the staff told us that the marriage had recently taken place. They told me that I had the same room as Raquel. I wasn't sure if they were winding me up, but you have confirmed it. I have always been proud that I have slept in the same bed as Raquel Welch.
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tyke51

29th April 2020, 23:22
Jigjag

I can remember Brian Johnston winding Fred up on TMS about the wedding. I think Fred invited Raquel & family to stay with them for the weekend ( that`s what I call `something for the weekend`) but Raquel`s management team felt she and her entourage might be too large to squeeze into the Trueman residence.
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