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I agree with Eirlys and Pigale!

HI, Rusty!
I still think it's open to doubt!
The answer is so obviously "olive" = green colour as definition, that I cannot see any need for the setter to try to 'distract' the solver with false innuendos.
Maybe I should talk to my pal, Rose.......
We got on very well last time and had quite an ongoing conversation!
I haven't heard the "jeeley" bit - but I'm glad I remembered the "piece" correctly!
I've never heard of "birlin"!
Nor has Anne B .
She says a dance -hall is a disco or Palais.
Now I DO remember the Palais!

There's no doubting it's just a deviously clever clue

As it is totally irrelevant to the solving of the clue, I think its supposed "deviousness" is open to conjecture.
We should draw a line under it and agree to differ.

You have to treat the words as just "fodder" only and the capital letters were meant to lead you astray.....That's the World of cryptics :) . NIght

Hello, Elle!
It's a good clue!
Nothing to do with whatever colour the Circle Line is!
Email Rose and see what she makes of it.
Bet she's heard of the birlin' too!
I have "birlin" in my Scots Dictionary. (Why not download it?)
Jeely is jam, up here.
And, what about this!
I was reading up on marmalade.
You know marmalade, Elle?
Keiller's made it in Dundee, very successfully.
And in 1880 they opened a factory at Tay Wharf, Silvertown, London.
You never told me there was a Tay Wharf in London?

Hi, Rusty!
I never told you about Tay Wharf, because I didn't know of its existence until now!
I have just Googled it, and apparently it is a part of "Derelict London" !
Seemingly there are large areas of London that are derelict and well known; people touring said quarters and also writing about their history.
I didn't know that!
Some of these areas may be up for re-development.
I don't know about Keiller's Marmalade ( I don't like marmalade!) but I do know of Keiller's Butterscotch! (and I do like that!)
Would this be the same company?
Why , I wonder, would it be called "Tay" Wharf, so far from the River Tay?

Hello, Elle!
Keillers made marmalades and jams in Dundee for over two centuries.
I would imagine if Keillers opened a factory in London they may have wanted to keep a Dundee connection?
So, London agreed to Tay Wharf? Plausible.
There was also a shipping company here called DP&L Line.
Dundee, Perth, and London.
Wonder where they docked in London?
As far as I know, Keillers were bought over by Crosse and Blackwell back in the mists of time.
I think that now, Keiller's products are owned by Robertsons, who make jams etc. I thought everbody liked marmalade?
Did you know Naomi Broady is 6ft 2ins?
She is just ahead of Laura Robson.

Hi, Rusty!
Can you still buy Keillers Butterscotch? I haven't come across it for a long time.
Actually, I don't much like jam either!
The only time I would eat it is if I were having a Cornish Cream tea! and then I prefer damson or plum jam!
Goodness, Naomi Broady certainly is tall! I thought my girls were tall at 5'10"
Is she taller than her brother, Liam?
Any more news of the tennis?
I haven't had the time to try to find it on the BBC Sports Channel.
I have finished my Jeffrey Archer novel.
His next book will be the last in the series.
I think it is out at the end of this year.
Amazon usually email me, once it is time to "pre-book".
Oh, and they sent me an email today to say that "Centennial" is on its way from the US!

Streets (and presumably docks etc) are sometimes named after people or places from so many years ago the origin has been forgotten.
There is a street in Sunderland named after my gt grandfather who was a founder member of the Co-op Movement there and served on the committee for decades.
In Birkenhead there is Tetbury Street. I wouldn't be surprised if I am the only person to know why- except those I've told, of course! John Cook started a brewery in Tetbury in 1800. He had quite a few sons and two of them went to Birkenhead when it was a boom town to start a brewery there.
The building is now a Honda showroom, in Tetbury Street! There must be many stories like that.

I don't like marmelade either, elle. I planted a damson tree to make jam but can't be bothered to stone the fruit these days. Sometimes make damson gin to give away.