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malone

19th March 2021, 15:52
...and hints, large and small.
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malone

19th March 2021, 19:17
...or maybe it's a very simple, straightforward puzzle this week, with no assistance required...
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zabadak

19th March 2021, 20:53
Well I think I've got it. It's not a particularly difficult initial solve, and the down phrase emerges early enough to help with identifying the extra letters.
But it's the endgame.
My version works in that I can exchange the four pairs of letters, four from a column and four spread out in a row.
Then I THINK I move the now-vertical four to a symmetrical place on the grid, which I THINK shows it can't do what the song says.
That leaves the bottom line, which I can fill with the alliterative phrase from the song, so long as I obliterate word one.
While I can't see in the rubric that that's (obliterating) what I should do, anything else doesn't work. The unchecked letter match and I still end up with words everywhere, so that "apart from the final phrase" worries me a bit.
Referee?
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loge

19th March 2021, 21:38
Yes, Zabadak, that's got to be it regarding move 2. Should have seen that myself. But that complicates the goings-on in the bottom row. I have no problem with the phrase from the song - as I said on the other thread, it isn't a real phrase justified by a dictionary. Still, what's the explanation for the letters from move one disappearing and being replaced by four seemingly random ones to complete the phrase?
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ginge

19th March 2021, 22:05
Hi loge, I took the line beginning "Then ..." before the one containing the phrase to justify the deletion.
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buzzb

19th March 2021, 22:16
The four seemingly random letters don't replace the four that were moved. Rather, as per the lyrics, the four are placed by the entire phrase.

I don't understand 'apart from the final phrase' either. Surely the final phrase is a real phrase.
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buzzb

19th March 2021, 22:17
'replaced' not 'placed' of course
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loge

19th March 2021, 22:52
Indeed Ginge and Buzzb. I should have read the lyrics more carefully.

I stand by my assertion that it's not a real phrase, though. It's not in Chambers, certainly. The individual words are real but when put together they make sense but there's no lexicographical support. So I think the caveat is fair.

Nice puzzle and sorry, Ploy, that I made such a bloody mess of it!
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jif73

20th March 2021, 00:11
Thanks, zabadak (post 3) and ginge (post 5) for clearing up two sticking points for me.
Just to be absolutely clear, zabadak: moving "the now-vertical four" results in four blank cells, right?

(For the sake of completeness, is it too soon to ask for a hint for:
* the parsings of 18ac and 16dn
* the "para group" in 6dn?)
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tatters

20th March 2021, 00:19
16 Kitty is an old word for jail.. Loo inside Rec all reversed
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