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elle

10th October 2017, 12:49
Hi, Rusty!
I seem inclined to over complicate these wretched clues!
It didn't occur to me that change meant money!
I still feel the need to accommodate "element" though?
Maybe Ne for neon, as I suggested before?
I am happy with a ph 0.........
I haven't yet finished the crossword.......
I just looked at 13d and the clues around that, because you had raised a query.
I think (very) strong coffee is going to be needed if I am to carry on....!
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cerasus

10th October 2017, 12:52
This is discussed elsewhere - copied and pasted >>>>>>

SOUS (in France, once, change), A, PH ONE (strongly acidic element). On the PH scale the acid range is PH 0-6 so PH1 is pretty strong. Once again being very nit-picky, I wonder whether a single brass instrument qualifies as 'brass'. [On edit: Lou Reed has kindly suggested this alternative parsing: SOUS (in France, once, change), A (a), PH 0 (strongly acidic), NE (element - neon).
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rusty

10th October 2017, 14:10
Hello, Elle!
I think I should have held my tongue about the blooming clue, now!
(Just joking!)
I did not know there was a "ph 0".
In my innocence I thought it would start at ph 1!
Yes, you carry on, Elle!
It is a good puzzle!
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rusty

10th October 2017, 14:14
Hello, Cerasus!
Thank you for posting the info.
I am glad I am not the only one who was a tad puzzled by the clue.
I did not realise there was a "ph 0"
I was reading it as "ph one"!
Always learning!
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elle

10th October 2017, 14:42
Hi, Rusty!
Oops! We very nearly crossed!
I was just about to type, when I saw your latest post........!
Oh no, I am glad that you started the discussion about the clue.......
I have enjoyed the interchange of thoughts about it!
Yes, there is very definitely a ph of 0!
This (to me; be it 0 or one) was the easy bit of the clue!
I made heavy weather of the beginning part!
It would be nice to know for sure about "neon"..........
I have done all that I can of the puzzle.
I am stuck in the bottom right- hand corner......
Four clues that interlock.......25a, 27a, 22d and 23d.....?
Help?
I am going out for a quick walk.......back soon......



Thank you, Cerasus..,,,,, it is good to know that I am not completely at sea with the idea of "neon".
Who is Lou (he/ she?) Reed?
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cerasus

10th October 2017, 14:52
Elle
Lou Weed/ Reed is a contributor on the Times site where crosswords are discussed. Other contributors suggested that the definition was
"element of brass" !


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rusty

10th October 2017, 15:02
Hello, Elle!
Ah, you scientists have the edge on me with your ph ratings!
I do not think much of 25a.
I shall start you off.
"Pet circles round". Pet=cat, round=o, giving "coat".
22, hint, Cassius Clay, the boxer, became Muhammad "???".
23, definition is "quid" as in tobacco.
A big "swallow" quickly, would be the drink.
Up, means reversed.
27 "bird", think "prison" slang, Elle.
The "call" bit, could be phoning.
There!
You should sail through now!
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chrise

10th October 2017, 15:14
It's actually possible to have negative pHs. It's a calculated rather than an assigned scale,

Now the technical bit! It's actually the negative logarithm of the hydrogen ion concentration. For example, 1/10th of a mole per litre would be 10^-1. The logarithm is the power of 10, so is -1; the pH is thus 1.

Concentrated hydrochloric acid has a hydrogen ion concentration of getting on for 100 moles per litre. If it was 100, this would be 10^2; the logarithm is 2, hence the pH would be -2.
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rusty

10th October 2017, 15:30
Chris, you took the words right out of my mouth!
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elle

10th October 2017, 17:38
Hi, Rusty!
I am sorry to be slow to reply....our plans went a bit adrift!
Just as I was organised to go for a walk, a friend rang to check that we were at home (we very nearly weren't!) and asked if he could come round to visit.
So the walk was postponed......
Now, the puzzle...thank you for your assistance!
I have got coat-tail (as you say, not impressed); Mali; and stirring!
But I would never have got them without your help!
I still cannot see the answer to 23 d?
I have ?L?G
Possibly "plug"?
drink = gulp (reversed)?
but then where does "quid" fit in?
We have had a fine day here - a trifle warmer than of late.
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