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jazzgirl

24th November 2016, 15:09
Thanks again rusty
I found history the most boring subject at school, as the teacher was dull and unenthusiastic, reading from a textbook most of the time. I am now catching up and finding the subject fascinating. I am not an avid reader, as I have too many other projects on the go, but I do follow all the history programmes.
Hatton Garden is in Holborn (London borough of Camden) but I am sure you will have googled by now :)
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rusty

24th November 2016, 15:19
Hello, Jazzgirl,
I didn't Google Holborn!
Yes, history is fascinating.
I am just wondering how five centuries ago they could make accurate maps? Fascinating.
And what was the Bishop of Ely doing with a house in London, in the first place!
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jazzgirl

24th November 2016, 15:27
hi rusty, I thought you would have googled, as I away for half an hour. I am multi-tasking here, uploading photos to flickr and replying to requests on another forum (nothing to do with crosswords) I need tea.
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elle

24th November 2016, 16:10
Hi, Rusty!
Home again!
Goodness, it was windy out!
I didn't really need to 'walk' - I could just lean back into the wind and get blown along!
"Refreshing" might be a word to describe it....?
I see you have been "exploring" London in my absence......
Yes, Hatton Garden is in Holborn........also not too far from the LSE, and the University of Arts, and also Smithfield Meat Market.
The British Museum and the Museum of London - and the Barbican Centre are within the relative vicinity too.
Plus St Paul's Cathedral and the Royal Opera House!
It's all happening within a mile or so of Hatton Garden!
You will be well genned up for Mr R's next "teaser"!
Speaking of which, have you done your crossword yet?
I haven't had chance to look at it.......
The QC was an easy one today, though.
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rusty

24th November 2016, 16:48
Hello, Elle,
Crossword finished. I struggled a bit with it.
Not been windy up here for ages!
Hatton Garden is known for more than diamonds, I see!
Why had the Bishop of Ely a house in London?
I have been searching!
There have been eight Bishops of Ely who held the office of Lord Chancellor, so would need to stay in London to carry out their duties, I imagine.
But it looks like Good Queen Bess evicted one to give a home to Hatton.
I'll file that under "Royal Shenanigans"!
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jazzgirl

24th November 2016, 16:58
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ely_Place

this will help ?
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rusty

24th November 2016, 17:35
Jazzgirl, that was a very interesting link.
I have learned a lot this week since Treasures was on.
My bug just now is the ancient map makers.
How did they go about it from scratch?
I am going to look up "cartology" to see if I get an inkling!
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jazzgirl

24th November 2016, 18:00
I am off for the evening now, rusty, so will leave you to enjoy researching cartology.
Julian has posted a caption to one of his mediaeval pics. (the one with the owl) very amusing.
Night ....















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elle

24th November 2016, 18:04
Hi, Rusty!
Now......you ask why would the Bishop of Ely even have a palace in London in the first place?
Because, like many other bishops, the Bishop of Ely had a seat in the House of Lords, and his parliamentary duties meant that he would have to spend a part of the year in London.
Therefore it made sense to have a home there.
But considerable efforts were made to ensure that such residences weren't subject to the laws - and taxes - of London.
So an "enclave " was established and Ely Place was legally a part of the Diocese of Ely, Cambridgeshire, despite its London location!
So this former residence of the bishops of Ely, for a very long time, was not actually regarded as officially part of London!
It remained a little bit of Cambridgeshire - even enjoying freedom from entry by the Metropolitan police, unless invited by its own governing body, the Commissioners of Ely Place.
The address for instance of the local pub used to be ""Ye Olde Mitre Tavern, Ely Place, Holborn Circus, Cambridgeshire"!
How about that for an interesting titbit of information!
Now, time for Eggheads...!
Like General MacArthur, "I shall be back......."
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jazzgirl

24th November 2016, 18:08
Have you been reading "flickering lamps" Elle ?
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