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micky

14th September 2024, 19:38
Hi, Brendan. Thanks for your comment about The parsing of 4a. I only had to read the first few words of what you said, and it became blindingly obvious. That meaning of "in court" should have been obvious to me once I realised what the solution was, and I can't imagine why I didn't get it. As for "formal hypothesis", if Chambers says so then I have to accept it, but as a mathematician I can categorically say that the accepted meanings of the two words in mathematics are totally incompatible. A hypothesis is, basically, an unproven assumption, whereas a ....... is certainly not unproven; that is the whole point. However, I'm willing to take Chambers's word for it that the word has been used for a formal hypothesis. When I posted my previous post, something happened which I find happens remarkably often: as soon as I posted my message saying how stuck I was, my brain clicked into action, and within a few minutes I had solved as many clues again as I had previously solved by struggling for ages. I really don't know why that happens. However, I then had to leave the crossword to do other things, and I have only just come back to it, so I still have quite a few to do. Wish me luck.
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brendan

14th September 2024, 20:00
I will indeed wish you luck Micky.

I empathise with your annoyance and understand that experts in their field, like yourself with mathematics, can often feel disappointed with a dictionary's use of broad synonyms.

To be clear though, what Chambers actually says is: FORMAL in bold caps and blue ink, followed by dictum, postulate and hypothesis in lower caps and black ink (unsure of the relevance).

I think my earlier post might have been a bit misleading when I said it read "formal hypothesis".
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micky

14th September 2024, 21:26
Brendan, I am willing to believe that the word we have been discussing may have a history of use with a different meaning than that which is currently recognised by mathematicians, and if so both a lecicographer and a crossword setter are perfectly justified in using that other meaning; it's just that it's not the meaning which I know. When I posted my last message I thought I might at last be able to finish the crossword off, but again I got called away to deal with other things, so it had to wait again. However, eventually I got there, so I can be happy . 😊
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brendan

14th September 2024, 21:28
That's great news, well done Micky - it was certainly a tricky one:-)
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darla

14th September 2024, 21:38
Micky, as a Ph.D. mathematician I agree with you completely, and was similarly bothered. However, it wasn't difficult to determine the intended answer anyway. I see one or two such cases per week it seems, although it's not always a math(s) term at issue.
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brendan

14th September 2024, 22:02
Hi Darla and Micky,

I was wondering if you've ever heard of an American mathematician and author called Martin Gardner, now deceased. I ask because I just read a book called Bernoulli's Fallacy by Aubrey Clayton in which he highly recommends another book called Aha! Gotcha by said Martin Gardner.
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geeker

14th September 2024, 22:05
Brendan, everybody Stateside (of a certain age, at least) with interest in mathematics knows of Martin Gardner.

He had a column in Scientific American for many years and wrote a number of books.
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brendan

14th September 2024, 22:09
Thanks Geeker, that's the chap.

I've done some research and the book gets absolutely great reviews by seemingly everybody.

To give it its full title it's Aha! Gotcha: Paradoxes to Puzzle and Delight.

I've just added it to my 'buy' list:-)
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buzzybee

14th September 2024, 22:17
Gday all
Came to this late, but enjoyed it, especially spotting the Nina without prompting. One problem with setting puzzles for a highly educated crowd such as inhabit this space is that there will always be experts who spot deficiencies in clues that touch on their specialism. Been there myself. I don't think it is an issue, especially if it is supported by the ultimate authority (Chambers).
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buzzybee

14th September 2024, 22:39
Expanding on my previous post, the most famous instance of the possibly incorrect word (******'s last ******) should not have been elevated to the higher status until very recently, even though its original proponent claimed such proof.
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