Hi Cockie, I started the listener in the late seventies, and I do agree that the endgame did not provide any reward. Firstly, because the final grid reveals nothing. Secondly, because the final two answers in the second grid were simply a tedious and lengthy exercise in trial an error and finally because the first phase was not too taxing. Harribobs is a setter to be respected, but in this instance he drove me up the bloody wall!