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rhsl

23rd November 2024, 02:11
As ever with a number puzzle, this was a slog through the calculations. But it held my interest better than most.
Neat idea and construction.
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dylan

23rd November 2024, 09:10
Thanks Jordan. To my mind, "increasing" does not include "equal to".

So, to confirm, the first few clues are actually correct formulae?
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jordan

23rd November 2024, 09:20
yes.
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andyp

23rd November 2024, 11:26
dylan - mathematically, this use of increase is correct - to distinguish you would say strictly increasing if equal wasnt allowed.

However given the majority of listener solvers probably dont have a maths degree ( i dont remember doing this till analysis classes at university), i agree its a bit misleading.

i also think the preamble is misleading in another way also (well it sent me down wrong road initially).

Interesting that this was deemed to be acceptable by the editors.

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cruncher

23rd November 2024, 11:57
Does one assume that the individual clues are always given in the form A,B,C - ie the the first listed term is smaller than the second.
Puzzling over an early snag: 30dn would seem to give unique values for c, p and q, although looking at 12ac and 26 I can find no triples where the final term differs by the value I have for c; plenty which differ by p but not c. Have I misunderstood something?
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candledave

23rd November 2024, 12:06
All clues with an error that corresponds to a letter are used in the perimeter.

This tells you that there isn’t an error in 12a or 26
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cruncher

23rd November 2024, 12:14
Candledave - indeed. I had figured that there are several clues that are exact triples - including 30dn, 12ac and 26 - which is why I am puzzled. Looking at a list of triples the differences between consecutive sums are 4, 8 or multiples of those. If the letters in 30dn are given in ascending order then c is not 4.
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candledave

23rd November 2024, 12:49
You are right c isn’t 4 but I’m afraid I don’t understand where you are stuck
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cruncher

23rd November 2024, 13:36
Maybe this is too explicit but looking at 30dn, c, p and q (and indeed h) are all indices, therefore < 6, which gives a unique solution for 30dn where c=3. However from 12ac and 26 that suggests that there are two exact triples where the C term differs by the value of c, therefore 3. Looking through lists of triples that's not the case - they differ by 0, 4, 8 and larger multiples - and indeed cannot be the case because of the requirements of oddness and evenness for the numbers involved.
Am I being super-dumb?
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neophyte

23rd November 2024, 13:40
I'm stuck in a different way, which I feel encouraged to share by the information already agreed. Unless I'm missing something obvious, 14 ends in an 8, but I don't think any of the possible solutions to 15d can begin with an 8. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong?
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