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jazzgirl

20th November 2022, 14:05
I only started today's puzzle near lunchtime, then had to cook for friends arriiving. Now finished, I give COD to 14d. I did not catch on to what the compiler had done to the author. The PDM came and I then realised all was not as it first appeared :-).
I wonder if Chris had missed the same?

I did notice the rhyming pair.
I am still not sure about the parsing for the Mediterranean port.......
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chrise

20th November 2022, 14:12
no, i did notice the author's name, jazzgirl. i don't think the clue needed both "say" and the "?", and i didn't like the "definition", really.
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jazzgirl

20th November 2022, 14:26
I haven't read through the whole thread yet. Has anyone mentioned 19a and why three times ? I am probably being thick again.
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chrise

20th November 2022, 14:28
it's a very dodgy homophone - another poor clue, relying on mispronunciation
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jazzgirl

20th November 2022, 14:34
Cheers Chris. I now remember seeing similar in the Guardian and thought that was also a poor homophone
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phil10000

20th November 2022, 15:12
Can't help wondering if there's a much simpler parsing to 19A than the various homophone theories. There are three ports on the Med with that name (Greece, Libya and Lebanon) after all.
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chrise

20th November 2022, 15:14
Good idea, phil, but if that was the intention, what is "might you say?" doing.
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paradigmshifter

20th November 2022, 15:29
There's 2 different ways to pronounce the homophone word though?
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phil10000

20th November 2022, 15:35
Could be that they're spelled differently in each local language/alphabet, so they have to be said out loud ... but I fear that could be venturing into very esoteric territory!
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jazzgirl

20th November 2022, 15:38
Chambers shows the pronunciation as 4 + li
The other way might be 6 + y
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