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When is the solution published? Is it in the paper two Saturdays later? Never needed it before!
Haven't ever failed to finish till now. (OK, numerics excepted).

Like you, Lumen, I hardly ever complete - and often don't attempt - The Listener crossword and so I was thrilled to finish this one. The solution given in The Times today is for 4650, so 4652 should appear in the paper in a fortnight's time, on 17 April.

Sorry to confuse the forum with a post about last week's Listener, again! If anyone still has 4652 to hand, I'd like to have another try to complete it. My problem was I couldn't find any place to put one of my eights - the one starting TEL... it wouldn't fit anywhere. But now I think maybe if there was a clash?
if anyone can tell me where to put it I'd be grateful.

Starts in most SE cell. Initial direction of turn is clockwise. No clash.

Thanks Hw, that totally clashes with my 10d, so any tips for 10d thanks?

The festival is Tet
..inside poetic form for evening

Thanks tatters and hw, I have finally completed this after 9 days, and don’t need to wait for the solution!