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pandean

7th December 2011, 12:24
If I have 20ac correct, the enumeration (5,3) applies to the transmuted version, whereas the solution to the clue before transmutation is just (8). Hopefully this may help.

As others above, I have more than one possible transmuted version for 6dn and 7dn. I also have two possibilities at 14ac. The crossword editor is now aware of this situation, so some announcement may ensue about how this may be resolved in terms of which entries will be deemed correct.
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pendragon

7th December 2011, 16:23
I don't know whether or not that helped me, Pandean, but thanks.

I had been thinking of the correct answer to 20A for some time (based on the possible permutations of the elements in the down answers), but it didn't seem relevant. Of course, the answers aren't relevant anyway!

Just those guitarists and 3D now.
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sid48

7th December 2011, 19:50
I'm now sure there are 2 possible answers for both 6d & 7d. Since the top right is the only quadrant I've 'completed' fully I think I'll stop there pending further guidance.
(Fairly certain also 2 possible answers for 12a although one of them isn't in Chambers (they're both types of plant)).
Frustrating having no clue as to grid entry.
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planetgeli

7th December 2011, 21:31
I'm sure Pandean is correct but it doesn't help me.

21d is simple enough before mutation. 3d is obscure before mutation but common after.
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dizoz

7th December 2011, 23:23
sounds like a job for sherlock holmes! (elementary, my dear witsend :-)) 21d could be "sharp" but doesn't help 20a
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sid48

8th December 2011, 13:23
Decided to plough on anyway & done now, but what I'm submitting is I believe only one of at least 8 possibilities (6d, 7d, 14a all have a choice of 2 entries). Assume all versions will be deemed correct.
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pandean

8th December 2011, 14:08
Regarding entries where there is more than one possible answer that fits the criteria for the transmutation, I've now been informed that all such answers will be accepted as correct. There is no specified dictionary though, so it's probably best to go for the safest options - I found one obscure alternative possibility for 12ac in the Urban Dictionary but that may well not be allowed.
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ixion

8th December 2011, 14:11
Thanks for that Pandean...I'd put this to the side but I'll take another look now.
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pendragon

8th December 2011, 14:31
I'm still stuck on 3D and 21D.

Although I've got all the across words, they're not much help, as you can imagine.

Any hints would be very welcome!
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sid48

8th December 2011, 15:37
21d think guitar slang
3d goddess at end so must be 2nd or 4th letter transmuted
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