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norah (admin)

2nd December 2021, 04:47
Posted by Parallelogram in wrong thread and moved at his request

I have been a bit exercised by the clue which referred to "the last across clue" in its own definition. It seems that the setter was referring to the clue immediately previous to the one containing this phrase. My gripe was that this is not how last is used generally because, in solving a crossword, I imagine that very few people begin with the first across clue and continue with the next one only when the first one is solved and so on down the list of clues. In those circumstances, the solver will not have experienced the final across clue when solving the problematic one and so the use of last to describe the preceding one is appropriate as it was the last one the solver completed. An analogy is with the term "last week" which everyone understands because they have not actually experienced any future weeks. This, however, does not match most people's experience and last will clearly mean the final item in the list.
Having said all that, what I really wanted to do was recall a story about a former music teacher colleague. Each week of term, he posted a notice listing the times of individual pupil instrument lessons, clearly identified as Week 1, Week 2 etc. Until the final week of term when the list was labelled Last Week. He could not see (at first) what I was laughing at when I pointed out the ambiguity of his notice. I also don't think he ever changed what he was doing. I suppose there might be a subtle difference in emphasis of the two words that denotes the difference.
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malone

5th December 2021, 14:29
Grunger (and others)...

I hope you saw the interesting letterin yesterday's Times?. It followed on from an earlier piece about designations, job titles. Its heading was 'I am an actrESS'. It went on to say, 'During my 63 years in the profession, I have always checked my contracts carefully, and if the word "actor" is included have made a point of Tippexing out the "or" and proudly replacing it with 'ess' in capital letters.'

If not a relative, the correspondent is obviously a woman after your own heart!
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paulhabershon

9th December 2021, 14:54
My 'lie, lay...' irritation occurs again in today's Times p.23:

'... Turtle, who was previously a councillor in Bournemouth, accelerated over her as she laid in front of the vehicle in March 2017.

'Police said one theory was that she laid down to prevent him driving away...'

I go into Lady Bracknell mode and say that to write it once is carelessness but twice is not only a misfortune but ignorance, especially by a journalist or sub-editor.
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tyke51

9th December 2021, 15:16
Hi Paulh

I`m reminded of ` Lady Mondegreen` - just in case ...

https://uh.edu/~mbarber/mondegreens.html
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tyke51

9th December 2021, 15:26
Sorry - this one works! ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZjM84Vthmo
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paulhabershon

9th December 2021, 17:13
Like the Lady Mondegreen stuff, tyke.

My mother as a child knew a hymn which contained
'Can a woman's tender care
Cease towards the child she bare?'

You've guessed it - she visualised a cub, although she wouldn't have known about a hyphen between those last two words.

Incidentally, in checking that exact quotation, I noticed the spelling of bare. It must be biblical.
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orson

9th December 2021, 23:59
It is indeed biblical, paulh, and is used throughout the Authorized King James version. For example: "She conceived, and bare Cain... And she again bare his brother Abel." But it was used by other writers too as an alternative to bore.
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jigjag

10th December 2021, 13:45
Malone

I fear you may not get a reply from Grunger for a while. She posted some time ago that she had had roles as -ess, -ette, -iste and -trix. She was looking for employment as other feminine endings so she may be on a cruise ship working as a masseuse, croupiere or comedienne, or possibly all three.

Grunger

Good luck in your venture and please post if you get the chance.

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malone

10th December 2021, 14:40
Thanks, Jigjag. I now have a lovely mental picture of Grunger in one or all three of those roles - and as she's on a ship, maybe she could fit in some bosun duties too.
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jigjag

14th December 2021, 20:13
Malone

Todays Times:

Lover of Homer allowed to return message (8)

So after a year of Pigeons, Baseball, Referees and Greek Authors, you finally get the Homer you have been waiting for!

Grunger

........ please send such a message to advise how your bo's'n duties are going.

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