Micky666, sorry but, like many others, I never submit, only do them for fun and if I haven't completed in the first couple of days, it goes in the recycle pile. Plus, the clue is in the name of this website. Why are you here if you don't want to give or receive help? I have been here for many years and I am careful about what I ask and what I give but, way back, if someone who is no longer with us (K) had not helped me and explained clues I would not now be doing and enjoying and helping others with the more advanced crosswords.