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martin

6th February 2012, 17:20
Like Mrs Trellis, I've completed the grid, and have the instruction, but I have no idea how to apply it. It makes no sense, not to me, anyway......
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martin

6th February 2012, 19:05
Seems to be about frogs and princes, but I can only spot one of each, and neither needs changing.
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garble

6th February 2012, 19:59
I'm down to my last two, 21a and 19d. I have a provisional solution for 21a, defined by the last word of the clue, but I can't justify the construction. If my 21a is correct, then the two words that satisfy the crossers for 19d don't seem to match the definition (first two words of clue). Any hints?
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mrs trellis

6th February 2012, 22:30
Hi garbie, you are right with the definition for 21ac. The superfluous word is pretty obvious.
19d definition is at start of clue, immediately before superfluous word. Hope this helps.
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mrs trellis

6th February 2012, 22:32
Martin, you're still ahead of me, I see the connection of what you're saying with 24d, but it's not helping! Maybe it'll all look clearer in the morning
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martin

6th February 2012, 22:43
The penny has dropped: there's only one of each, and they don't appear together, not at the same time,at least.
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cmk

6th February 2012, 22:49
Penny dropped here, too.

Mrs T. - read the letters across the grid in accordance with the derived instruction and then perform the transformation. The result is perfectly in keeping with what Tramp says at the start. Nice one.

Still a bit unsure about some of the bottom half though - even though I've completed the grid. Some of the clues seem unnecessarily long. Maybe it's just to improve the surface reading.
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mrs trellis

6th February 2012, 22:53
Eureka! Just came back to say I've got it and you beat me to it Martin, well done. That's that for another month, must say I preferred it to the last couple of Geniuses.
And I confess to not understanding the working of 6d, not that it matters massively, but am curious - which of the 't' words is extra?
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mrs trellis

6th February 2012, 22:55
You too cmk, looks like a huge penny landed on us all almost at once. Samantha says hi btw.
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cmk

6th February 2012, 23:14
Mrs T. - 6 down is rather cheeky - think of it as a two syllable word for those who are slashing...
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