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themadwomanintheattic

6th April 2025, 13:19
What an absolute stinker! Chock-full of deletions and obscurities, a heavy reliance on general knowledge, and a couple of dodgy definitions thrown in for good measure.

Please can anyone help with these two?

5a: Fifty maybe touching base in interval (8)
S?M?T?N?
Looks like SEMITONE (= interval, in music). I get that FIFTY could be SEMI-TON (half a hundred), but where does the final E come from?

48d: Film director hides old letter relating to Flower of Hades (7)
L?T?E?N
Looks like LETHEAN (= relating to the LETHE, the river of the Underworld). The film director is David LEAN, but can anyone explain the "old letter"?

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quisling

6th April 2025, 13:22
Your parsing are correct. E is the base of the natural system of logarithms. And eth is an Old English letter
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themadwomanintheattic

6th April 2025, 13:27
Thank you!
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anthonystmichel

7th April 2025, 06:52
Agree.

In my view, the setter had poor grid awareness in that area, crossing Lethean with Porbeagle containing what i assume is a fairly obscure 'heard as' reference "caught unfortunate" as por and crossing that with a clue that contains rete as a network. Too much dictionary work and not much fun.

Is it just me or do others groan when they see flower for river? Twice in one crossword is just too silly.
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themadwomanintheattic

8th April 2025, 12:24
It isn't just you, ASM - I'm no fan of it either (especially when used more than once in the same crossword). But my real bête noire is over-use of deletion-type clues, of which there were far too many on this occasion. This kind of clue is almost impossible to solve just from the wordplay; you need to guess the answer and then work backwards to try to figure out the parsing.

I agree totally with your other comments.
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candledave

8th April 2025, 12:31
Out of interest why do you find deletion clues harder than addition clues?

Both require you to work out a piece of wordplay and then either add a letter or delete a letter to get to the entry
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themadwomanintheattic

8th April 2025, 15:50
Because the clues usually take the format "Remove beginning or end of [word defined by X] to find [word defined by Y]". If X is a particularly broad definition (such as, for example, FISH) but the answer actually refers to a specific type of fish, there are endless possibilities for it. For an example of this, see this week's clue for 30d.
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candledave

8th April 2025, 18:51
Ok thanks understood but I wondered why that was any different to a clue for say BROACH where the wordplay is black fish

Personally I guess I don’t find broad wordplay elements limited to just deletion clues
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themadwomanintheattic

8th April 2025, 18:58
No, it isn't limited just to deletions. Another prime example is when the clue includes BOY or GIRL (or some variation thereof), and the answer turns out to be a boy's or girl's name.
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dicki

10th April 2025, 11:12
There are three that still escape me:
23a. Religious adherent eats fish (5) I have H-S--
24d. See fashion designer cut short notices to audience (7)
I have --O-E-E
50a. Great old band in wings of theatre(7)
I have E-T-E-E
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