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Oh my Jono! I completely missed that - way to overcomplicate things Bren 😂

Thanks Mattrom for clarifying 14. Seems obvious now, although I think I was thrown off by the placing. I thought “on gentle” would have implied that it came after the “speaking”, not before. This has often confused me in puzzles.

Chrise, I think the bar in 13 is a conjunction here, meaning “except”.

Rainman, I agree not a verb, but I think you mean preposition rather than conjunction

Thanks Brendan & Jono. I’ve got it now 👍

I shouldn’t have waded into grammar debates that I would definitely lose. Chambers has it as both though. Preposition “except” and conjunction “were it not that ”. I guess that the former is closer to how we would use “bar” so you’re probably right.

Forgive off-topicness, but the Saturday Indy has an excellent puzzle by Serpent, one of my favorites. He's prone to musical Ninas and Brendan should enjoy this one.

Yes definitely a bit easier than the normal. I loved the 'goal in rugby' reference in 4d. Never seen that used before.

But I'm stuck on 13d and 17a. If I have 13d right I can't fathom 17a at all. What am I missing?

rocky
in 17 the "another one" is a home rather than a rotter

Hi Geeker,

Do you mean 11,391 with the Nina "I can hear the heart beat as one" by Yo La Tengo? I don't think I've ever heard of them.