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loge

19th January 2022, 09:08
Very neatly put Smithsax. You have saved posters from an epic post from me in which I was trying to explain this before I saw what you'd written.

Perhaps a real-life example of the two meanings of "leave" is "they left my fridge empty". It could mean the found it empty and didn't bother to stock it, or they found it full and ate everything in it. There must be a better one than that, though.
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dsc

19th January 2022, 09:17
I agree with loge and smithsax, but in this case the instruction is qualified by "initially". Having to recap the preamble is what has created the doubt
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drxx

19th January 2022, 11:05
I'm not convinced by smithsax's neat definition, although I can understand it being used in such a way (the Chambers entry is more problematic).
For fyellin the 2nd person is a complete unknown but he caused a bit of a stir over here, in large part because of what he did and what he achieved (that probably says something about the British class system). He even suggested that what he did had helped him achieve it - and he continued doing it afterwards.
For this reason the puzzle - as good as it is - seems to be a lost opportunity, if the trajectory had simply been reversed (starting with B and ending with A) we'd have a neat symmetry and 'art' emulating life quite beautifully... unfortunately, the palaver with the circled cells precludes an easy reversal.
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drxx

19th January 2022, 11:20
...and, by reversing the process, everything gets used - because the 'subject' leads logically to a particular 'title' (the subsequent title only becoming relevant as an afterthought).
As it is, we're relying on a down answer to indicate that we've understood something we've not included in the grid.
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smithsax

19th January 2022, 12:06
I agree with drxx about the sequence. That would have worked well.
Incidentally, I always leave a bedroom light on when I go on holiday, regardless of whether it is on or not just before I exit the house.
I take “initially” to be there because the you are not intended to leave the unclued light empty in the long term. This applies initially as you start either pass through the directions.
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smithsax

19th January 2022, 12:17
WRT Chambers. I think my interpretations of leave are both covered by definition 6. To allow to remain or to cause to remain.
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drxx

19th January 2022, 12:36
Yes, I like 'cause to...', smithsax - but then there's the question of ...'remain' (but we're back to the vexed question of 'leave'/'remain' again... so I'm leaving it there}.
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smellyharry

19th January 2022, 14:45
I think the sequence as is works nicely. Start with the red herring (to an extent) then move to the real subject.

And what happens in the unclued column is that the 'title 1' becomes 'title 2' which is what happened in real life. I think it's all very neat.
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quixote

19th January 2022, 17:01
'leave'...'remain'...personally I always bash my egg on the big end.
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jack aubrey

19th January 2022, 17:06
I’m with Smellyharry on this. I was already convinced that a straightforward reading of the directions and amended directions meat that title 2 figures in the final grid. His aperçu about how “1 becomes 2” tells the story of player 2 is a clincher for me. As for demonstrating that we understood the first part, isn’t highlighting player 1 enough?
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