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thepost

28th December 2020, 17:35
A weird set of clues this week! Is the entry required for 22ac (From what we hear, girl could be this sort of radical [5]) ETHEL or ETHYL?

Is Ethyl a radical?
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chrise

28th December 2020, 17:39
ETHYL is a radical, but it isn't pronounced like Ethel! It's EE THILE
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chrise

28th December 2020, 17:40
I think the US pronunciation might be a bit closer to Ethel, though...
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rossim

28th December 2020, 17:42
Have you heard the song 'What kind of fuel am I?' by Ethyl Merman.
A bad cracker joke!
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malone

28th December 2020, 17:51
ChrisE, Ethyl as in Ethel is perfectly fine for Chambers (and not listed as American) so is perfectly fine for the clue!
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chrise

28th December 2020, 17:55
Hi malone
I did teach it for 40 odd years! I'm sure that the "ethel" pronunciation is American - you would get a very funny look if you said it in a lab in this country.
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malone

28th December 2020, 18:01
ChrisE, I have never needed to say the word in a lab, and don't expect that to change. In conversation, Ethel would suit me, non-scientists and Chambers....oh, and the clue under discussion!
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thepost

29th December 2020, 09:39
Thanks for the interesting conversations! But........is it ETHYL or ETHEL that needs to be entered? The clue can surely be interpreted either way. And is ETHYL a radical? I'm not even sure that I know what a radical is (in chemistry terms).
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thepost

29th December 2020, 09:48
I've just had another thought - could it be ETHAL? Chambers gives the definition as "same as CETYL ALCOHOL (see under CETYL)".

CETYL is given as a univalent radical. This seems to be favourite - which still begs the question - which is entered in the grid ETHAL or ETHEL?
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parallelogram

29th December 2020, 09:53
I'll repeat the gist of a comment I posted in the pedants thread just a couple of weeks ago. I was brought up in Scotland and graduated in chemistry a long time ago. Until I subsequently moved to England for further study I had never heard "eethile" or "meethile" spoken by anyone. I went back for a class reunion dinner a few years ago and was pleasantly surprised to find that the pronunciations I grew up with were still extant.
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