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8d) Characters in seat outside ancient city(7)
I've got N-T-R--. Must be Natural ,but I cant rationalise it.
20a)Foriegn toffs offering no favour to English(8)
I have -O-L---E.

natural Ur is an ancient city natural is a musical character(as opposed to flat or sharp)
natal is region of south africa?

20a noblesse

Thanks sudokulover, but I think only one of these can be right as the answers bisect.
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-O-L-?-E

Sudokulover--many thanks! It is certainly Noblesse and it is thus Natures(not Natural) that it bisects with

8d Natures are characters. Nates are buttocks = seat, roune Ur city.

8d Natures are characters. Nates are buttocks = seat, roune Ur city.