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kt17

16th April 2020, 21:06
Thank you Doctor - that might work... like in boxing calling that punch a ‘haymaker’!
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drxx

16th April 2020, 21:21
Yes kt17, that too.
I'm not a Doctor, by the way - that's why I'm lowercase (just my initials!).
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kt17

16th April 2020, 21:49
Thank you DR, I stand corrected.

OED [1933] has:

"...it is used to render two quite different words 'aclys' and 'caestus' the latter app[arently] through doubt as to its meaning." Cf the following:
1696 KENNETT Rom. Antiq. (1713) 255 The cestus were either a sort of leathern guards for the hands, compos'd of thongs and commonly
filled with lead or iron to add force and weight to the blow: Or, according to others, a kind of whirlbats or bludgeons of wood....

....Used to render caestus CESTUS partly through misapprehension of its meaning....

....1603 HOLLAND Plutarch's Mer. v. iv 773 Flinging the coit of brasse: yea and as some say at hurl-bats and fist-fight. 1609 Anon. Marcell xxx. ix.392 The moving of his armes, laying about him as if they had been fighting at hurlebats..."

There is more but it all relates to the other, conventional rendering.

I should have checked earlier but the book is so heavy to pull from its casing that it takes a toll on my constitution!
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drxx

16th April 2020, 23:06
Thanks for the extra information, kt17.
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will37

17th April 2020, 11:12
I must be being particularly stupid this week because no one else has expressed difficulty over 18d. I've got "_ADI_M _" but it isn't leading me anywhere. Can any kind soul give me a steer?
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malone

17th April 2020, 11:24
Will37, you letters are correct. You need a five letter word, foreign, but well-known , for 'so long', goodbye, - take the 'electronic' out of that. This goes inside the abbreviation for Sandhurst, giving something you could get from 34.
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will37

17th April 2020, 11:33
Many thanks, Malone. I said I was being stupid & there it was staring me in the face!
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malone

17th April 2020, 11:41
Will37, glad I could help. Sometimes the longer we stare at a clue or half-completed entry, the harder it gets!
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