Okay I give up. Here I am back after 3 weeks stage set building during all available leisure hours that rehearsals leave. In spite of your hint of a southern cathedral city for 23ac, Chrise, I am no forwarder. Truro doesn't fit, nor does Wells (ain't a city either)... Sarum??? Nah! Tried the atlas can't see anything southern where? OMG just seen it. Yours, dandybandy the extremely dense.