Oh, I'm not backing out -- I'll just leave the 'saying it over and over' thing to you. I only know what I read on this board about these rhyming puzzles, but one thing that I've absorbed is that you shouldn't expect them actually to rhyme!
Many thanks all for answers.
I would like to apologise to someone else called terry for using the same name, in future I will use my middle name, did not intend to step on your toes.
Me Terry no more on here, hope that suits.