thanx chrise next time i need answers, i will put the number of letters in the word first then question marks, the reason i have ?marks is because when i first started going on the forum, someone on it told me to put them for missing letters sorry about that, but thanks again chrise and rossin, you always come up trumps, and when you see the answers you are looking for, you wonder why you didnt see the answers in the first place! ANN x :-)