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and of course,if the Knights Templar had had a fishercat as their champion rather than a love sick george sanders things would have ended very differently.

Oh, so in other words Liz played herself and Joan played herself. I was hoping you didn't mean the animated version.

George Sanders wasn't a fisher cat?

I've started a new thread for anyone who does need help [not that this exchange isn't fascinating} Thanks Rusty for the info re Custos. He's the one Who got me interested in Cryptic, the days before the definitions were as cryptic as the cryptic part of the clue!!
Mike-- Do you really come from Leek? I lived there for thirty years and still have in-laws there.