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brackendale

12th November 2011, 10:57
8 Down Accompanied by lawyer, judge cruelly shoots lover (5) P?N?A

17 Across Comes up having to move in for start of election counts, maybe (7) A?I?T?S

I have ideas what the solutions could be but I can't get the respective clue to fit any of my ideas!
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ab

12th November 2011, 11:01
panda? (shoots lover?)
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chips

12th November 2011, 11:02
Like you, I'm stuck on P?N?A
For the other one, I had ARISTOS (aristocracy,counts)
I thought of it as 'arises'(comes up) with the 'to' moving in instead of the 'e'/start of 'election') Hope this makes sense!
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ab

12th November 2011, 11:03
Pan was the judge in a Greek beauty contest +DA (lawyer) = panda
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gaperon

12th November 2011, 11:04
ARISTOS? Not sure how, but fits with counts!
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brackendale

12th November 2011, 11:07
The explanation of ARISTOS looks right - thanks Chips.

If the other one is PANDA it does not seem to me to be a very good clue. I keep thinking that the lawyer bit is DA as in District Attorney but where does the PAN bit come from?
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brackendale

12th November 2011, 11:09
Thanks AB - I'm not well up in Greek mythology but that now seems to fit.
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ab

12th November 2011, 11:14
I think I was wrong in saying it was a beauty contest, it was a music contest.
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chips

12th November 2011, 11:20
I have settled on Panda - basically because of the 'shoots lover' but also because I think it is pan/judge cruelly+da/District Attorney.
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