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My brain must be frozen I am really struggling this week. I would be grateful for the following clues:

8a Subs must do what strikers must not! (4) _ i _ _

10/23d Take the 5th to come under them before being let off! (8,6) _T_ _ _K _ S I _ D _ R _
(answer to 5d was Gobstruck)

17d How to get results through no efforts of your own. (2,7) By _ L _ A _ L _

MANY THANKS
CAZZYU

Hi Cazzy.

17d How to get results through no efforts of your own. (2,7) ... by default.

JimC

8a, Dive
10/23,Starters Orders
17d, By default

Excellent Sammi

subs as in submarines, not substitutes

Yes indeed!

Cazzy, answer to 5d. is "horserace", "not gobstruck"

Now that ties in with Starter's Orders - the other answer did not.

Many thanks JimC, Sammi and Mark.

I am definitely out of tune with Rosebud this week, he gives a lot of bizarre clues but this takes the biscuit.

I was thinking of football for the subs and strikers and henpecking with the nags.

Don't I feel the silly one now, you all answered so quickly too. Ah well there's always next time.

Thanks
Cazzy